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tf_bunny_farmWell do I have a deal for you,
When people think of broken gestalts they normally decide they must kill of a member of generally the Combaticons, Stunticons, or Protectobots. Instead of one of those how about we do a little wiki-diving, like dumpster diving, but generally cleaner.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hauler
The Constructicons are a broken gestalt, have been since Megatron failed to capture and reprogram all of them toward the beginning of the war. Their missing piece, RoadHauler, managed to escape and seek protection under the Autobots. This mech is the only one with the Constructicons full history and memory. This mech was there for the building of the monster that is Megatron.
More importantly Hauler is the one thing that allows the Constructicons to still have their willfulness. Although reprogrammed by the robosmasher for some reason they remain resistant to Megatron’s orders, and sometimes even defy him. Megatron knows he missed one of the Constructicons. He has to know, but he may not know where RoadHauler has disappeared to.
The Constructicon Autobot is now painted yellow, goes by Hauler, and has the same Alt-mode as Grapple and is stationed on Earth as well, pretty good cover as long as the ‘Cons don’t look too hard. Kind of a throw in to the episode where the Constructicons are slightly obsessive about working with Grapple, is it that they want to work with Grapple or is it that the mech is such a close approximation to what they are missing that they create a reason to work with Grapple to try and be near him.
If the Autobots have the opportunity to capture a Constructicon would Hauler be able to return the memories to his brother, and create havoc among one of the most powerful of the gestalts? The Constructicon wouldn’t be able to deny the validity of the other’s claims with they are as fanon normally has them linked spark deep.
In this the Constructicons have unknowingly been an incomplete gestalt for millennia and have been experiencing whatever that entails for that long. The perfectionist surgical engineer unable to locate the cause of the problem in there gestalt driven mad, the volatile chemist unable to find the right mix striving toward something he cannot figure out, the berserker with an undying rage caused and fueled by something, the master designer never pleased with his work because it’s missing something, the addled scavenger on an unending hunt for something, collecting till he finds it, and a transporter who wants something more and is willing to fight although it is not his skilled area. They all know something isn’t what it should be. They feel it deeper than consciousness.
Back with the Autobots Hauler has to struggle with the gnawing need of his gestalt, the unbalanced mind of Devastator clawing across the bond, and the guilt that possibly, if he were to die, that maybe his gestalt would perish as well, making headway in the war for the Autobots. His wiki-description mentions his tendencies to sometime go against the cover designed for him and change his coloration or modify himself. This could also be worked into the effects of being separated from his gestalt. I don’t believe his relation to Constructicons would be widespread knowledge either. It would probably be something kept by the Medical staff, and the officers.
It’s also entirely possible that there is an Eighth Constructicon as well but we won’t worry about that for now.
For Those who did click the Cut-
Can everyone see how bunny ridden this is? Please?
When people think of broken gestalts they normally decide they must kill of a member of generally the Combaticons, Stunticons, or Protectobots. Instead of one of those how about we do a little wiki-diving, like dumpster diving, but generally cleaner.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hauler
The Constructicons are a broken gestalt, have been since Megatron failed to capture and reprogram all of them toward the beginning of the war. Their missing piece, RoadHauler, managed to escape and seek protection under the Autobots. This mech is the only one with the Constructicons full history and memory. This mech was there for the building of the monster that is Megatron.
More importantly Hauler is the one thing that allows the Constructicons to still have their willfulness. Although reprogrammed by the robosmasher for some reason they remain resistant to Megatron’s orders, and sometimes even defy him. Megatron knows he missed one of the Constructicons. He has to know, but he may not know where RoadHauler has disappeared to.
The Constructicon Autobot is now painted yellow, goes by Hauler, and has the same Alt-mode as Grapple and is stationed on Earth as well, pretty good cover as long as the ‘Cons don’t look too hard. Kind of a throw in to the episode where the Constructicons are slightly obsessive about working with Grapple, is it that they want to work with Grapple or is it that the mech is such a close approximation to what they are missing that they create a reason to work with Grapple to try and be near him.
If the Autobots have the opportunity to capture a Constructicon would Hauler be able to return the memories to his brother, and create havoc among one of the most powerful of the gestalts? The Constructicon wouldn’t be able to deny the validity of the other’s claims with they are as fanon normally has them linked spark deep.
In this the Constructicons have unknowingly been an incomplete gestalt for millennia and have been experiencing whatever that entails for that long. The perfectionist surgical engineer unable to locate the cause of the problem in there gestalt driven mad, the volatile chemist unable to find the right mix striving toward something he cannot figure out, the berserker with an undying rage caused and fueled by something, the master designer never pleased with his work because it’s missing something, the addled scavenger on an unending hunt for something, collecting till he finds it, and a transporter who wants something more and is willing to fight although it is not his skilled area. They all know something isn’t what it should be. They feel it deeper than consciousness.
Back with the Autobots Hauler has to struggle with the gnawing need of his gestalt, the unbalanced mind of Devastator clawing across the bond, and the guilt that possibly, if he were to die, that maybe his gestalt would perish as well, making headway in the war for the Autobots. His wiki-description mentions his tendencies to sometime go against the cover designed for him and change his coloration or modify himself. This could also be worked into the effects of being separated from his gestalt. I don’t believe his relation to Constructicons would be widespread knowledge either. It would probably be something kept by the Medical staff, and the officers.
It’s also entirely possible that there is an Eighth Constructicon as well but we won’t worry about that for now.
For Those who did click the Cut-
Can everyone see how bunny ridden this is? Please?
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Date: 2011-03-21 03:42 pm (UTC)The RotF Legends Class Devastator set has seven parts to it.
It is also available in G1 green.
Translate as you wish, but part of me thinks RotF Dev was going mad from losing parts, unfortunately, his parts were dead and scrapped.
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Date: 2011-03-21 04:08 pm (UTC)Secondly thanks for that, I don't do much with the toys tbh, but it is nice to know. I was thinking more G1 with this prompt but the lack of even minimal intelligence beside RAWR!SMASH! on Dev's part in RotF would relate well with that idea.
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Date: 2011-03-21 04:25 pm (UTC)Yeah, I'm somewhat a collector of the toys - as of today, I have 137, not counting some of the accessories, and another four definitely plus one other on promise. Seven of those are my Legends Class 'Structies.
The others that got included in the set - Demolisher (the big guy from the Shanghai scene), and Rampage (the pogo-stick who had Ron and Judy) - while some well-known names (Hook and Bonecrusher) are absent on the RotF-coloured set, but apparently are on the G1-green set.
Though movieverse in general seems to have a bit different usage of the title "Constructicon", just as has a different usage of "Seeker".
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Date: 2011-03-21 05:10 pm (UTC)And the seekers show in a lovely way how messed up the timeline of that universe is. "My father, why, he was a wheel! The first wheel! And do you know what he transformed into? Nothing!" So wait... Your father was the wheel, and if we guess that the wheel roughly showed up around the damn of agriculture.... so... that dates you to what post 8000 BCE? And the Fallen tried to Destroy Earth when again and was banished? Oh well.
I believe it was also used in the comics to refer to a group of Screamer's flunkies, somewhat of a resurrection of a term with the thought that, that much time in their culture had past to use it... the life span of transformers in Bayverse must greatly differ from that in other verses.
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Date: 2011-03-21 05:45 pm (UTC)I mostly presume both group names were taken by newer groups that may have no true heritage with the ancient holders of those titles, but a good excuse can be made that both modern Seekers and modern Constructicons are descendants of the ancient races that served the Primes.
At least, a friend was starting in a fic that was intended to have a fair bit about the relationship between Primes and Seekers in it, and one of the defining difference between true Seekers of Jetfire's ilk and upstarts claiming the name is that true Seekers bond with a Prime - a bond of service, not a romantic bond. They need to have a Prime they are beholden to, and who give them orders.
Constructicons - true ones, may be similar, construction mechs bound in service to a Prime. Anything else is just a poseur contruction mech who is not a true 'Structie... but that leaves open the possibility that Devastator was made up of true Structies sent to Earth straight from the Nemesis... right where the Fallen's
doritosarcophagus was.But whether or not Dev is true Structie or not doesn't mean he's not insane from losing some of his parts. Maybe the real movie Dev is more than just the roaring monster we saw - he was only like that because the rest of his parts are gone.
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Date: 2011-03-21 08:31 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-03-22 08:21 am (UTC)the theories in your friend's work sound interesting. Especially when you look at a society that obviously has a complicate class/caste system with heavy ritualistic tendencies, visible in titles bestowed, and even a language difference between the groups. They in my opinion seem to have more of a collective culture than an individualistic on, with how much of their society and how much of a character's identity is their group.
I sort of wish that the Decepticons in Bayverse have more reason to be a different faction than "Our leader went crazy after talking with a ghost," perhaps more of the slant that we see in the comic from another verse, Megatron Origins, in regards to the want to remove a restrictive class system. Humans from individualistic cultures if presented with that reason would have inclination to support that cause.
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Date: 2011-03-22 08:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-22 09:13 am (UTC)The Bayverse comics did go into more detail that the movies as to the circumstances surrounding the discovery of the Fallen's stone. The Fallen's reason for pissing off his brethen sounds similar to a three year old's temper tantrum in which the child decides to go ahead anyway though his family told him not to. It doesn't really explain why Megatron even really bothered to listen to some old ghost in a rock when he was already basically top dog, and Cybertron wasn't that bad off.
I mean if you go off the theory that he some how became possessed than on would think with the banishment/death of the Fallen that he'd have snapped out of it. There is a somewhat interesting bunny in that. After RotF Megatron wakes up and has no understanding of the situation, and is back to being the sometimes cruel but honorable enough to be Lord High Protector mech he had been, and Optimus alludes to.
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Date: 2011-03-22 10:18 am (UTC)I did read through the Fallen comics and also the stuff on how his sarcophagus (the dorito) was found. I can't help but think part of what happened to change Megatron is a massive reprogramming the Fallen does to him.
Giving credit to accepted belief that movie!Fallen is the exact same guy as the one on fire (just at a different part of his life), the Fallen was shown also doing some weird mind-bending shit to the three mechs he "hired" to do his dirty work in Dreamwave.
Take that into account, who knows the full extent of what exactly he did to Megatron.
Now there's another great plotbunny!
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Date: 2012-07-09 01:04 am (UTC)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6M_6qOz-yw