Just one bunny that would be awesome to see other people's take on it

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

I've run across fics and bunny ideas of Datsuns, Lamborghinis, or both being some form of ground based seeker-kin or just being seekers who got reformatted into ground based forms. Well my mind decided to combine that in a different way. Specifically:

Datsuns/Lambos/Both are actually the youngling phase for Seekers, and after a certain time or event happens to come by their programing kicks in to ping adult seekers/medics/both that they are at the stage where they need to upgrade into an adult, flight capable body now. This being like how organic birds have to gain flight capable feathers before they are even pushed out of the nest for the first time.

A) Meaning that one or more of Prime's officers was technically not of age to be in the autobot army and were underage until recently.

B) Both sides now get to wonder if anyone of the autobot seekers are creations of any of the Decepticon seekers.



I plan to try and do this bunny myself, but I would really like to see what other people would take this bunny.

Comments

[umalia.livejournal.com]

But if both of the Lamborghini and Datsun models are juvenile Seekers, why are there two different models? Wouldn't there be only one model for young seekers?

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

I put both because of the fact that people either go datsun or lambo in these sort of ideas of ground based seekers. Though having both could be used like a cultural thing maybe? Like ranks or such? The thing is with this fandom is that you could play around a lot with what model types and what they mean in society for them.

[outerelf.livejournal.com]

It could, and does work (referring too comment above). The Datsun's would probably be the 'higher' class Seekers. They don't have to deal with the shock of suddenly getting wings.

Meanwhile, Lambo's are more on the lower class. They got the speed to do skimming, but when upgraded into their full-grown body, they have no idea what to do with the wings.

Of course, not all Datsun's and Lambo's have to be Seekers. It could be that only a small percentage of them are. So, imagine everyones surprise when it turns out that they are Seekers.

(Personally, I am still of the mind that Lambos were created in direct opposition of Seekers. Only Lambos jump on top of Seekers. Even Red did it in Auto Beserk)

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

Even though realistically I know they made like models due to toyline restrictions and such (Since it probably took a lot to be allowed to use a car model for the toy and such) but to put it into the fandom mytho I just find it fun to wonder why only certain model types seem more abundant then others and what that would mean in the hierarchy of society.

I could see the not all being seeker younglings another aspect to play with. Especially if you have seekers being secretive about how they do things, so other types would not understand why they saw a ground based model type wandering around with Seekers, which leads to someone being opportunistic and designing such model types as a new fashion or job related innovations for ground based younglings. So you now have, due to fads or other shifts, groundbased adults and seeker young looking alike which probably helped hide the young when the war broke out.

(I've seen that take too and would be interesting as well, considering if you started to mix and match bits and pieces of bunnies and ideas floating around on this.)

[outerelf.livejournal.com]

Femme's are extremely rare because they cost so much to make. Lambo's forms are expensive/common, Datsun's wings are sensitive, etc? Yeah, Car models each have their own myth. Almost all trucks end up being Primes or really important leaders.

That's a good idea, some opportunistic mech (*cough*Scrapper*cough*) managing to get into the city of Vos to see the ground bound mechs wandering around and decide that it's a fashion statement and take it beyond the city limits. It could have also been perpetrated by the earliest of the Seekers, to help remind the other Seekers that just because they could fly, the ground pounders weren't beneath them. They once were part of the ground pounding faction, and it's the reason why no one has ever seen a sparkling Seeker before.

Of course, can you imagine everyones reaction when Breakdown turns out to be a Seeker?

Breakdown: *twitch* Impossible, me a Seeker?
TC: Oh crap, how are we gonna explain this? Ok, Breakdown, you know, before you came into the world with the rest of your gestalt, me and Skywarp were doing something called 'interfacing'

Ratchet: *facepalm* Sunstreaker, congratulations. You are now officiallly ready.
Sunstreaker: Ready for what? What about my twin? Where is he anyways?
Ratchet: *ignoring* Sunstreaker, why didn't you ever tell us? It wouldn't of hurt to tell us you were a Seeker!
Sunstreaker: I'm a WHAT? I'm not a Seeker!

Skywarp: Is that-
TC: Yep.
SW: But-
TC: Those three are.
SW: ... Do you think we should tell Starscream we finally found his lost Seeker twins?

...I'll stop now. I'm having waaaaayyyy to much fun with this.

(I think I was the first to ever come up with it, but I'd still like for it to be written- by someone other then me. DX But it makes a lot of sense. It's also why the twins tend to pick on the Datsun's more then any other model type it seems like.)

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

It's why I think I like this fandom so much, because so much of it is up to fan interpretation when it comes to everyday life and all things off screen.

Right, and considering how even in canon there is a push for the flight capable due to the war it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that the only reason why there isn't a youth training camp or such of seekers for the war is because neither side has actually seen the younglings before and just assumed that the model types would look the same as the upgraded models. Because seriously with all the emphasis on air tactics going on you'd think both sides would push for more air models then what they did if they could get a hold of more that weren't already on a side.

So much crack potential to be had or even serious with some funny in it.


(It is interesting, just working out the backstory makes me go -_- since I'm one of those types who like to put reasoning in such ideas and how to slide it into normal canon reasoning. Even if it would make explaining the Negavator incident a pain. Damnit Starscream, the one time you should have been a bastard you didn't really act like it when you had an Autobot glitching and easy to manipulate in your hands)

[outerelf.livejournal.com]

Yeah- I think that's why so many people still post to the bunny farm, there's so many plot holes and delicious ways you can torture your characters...

True, in cannon there is a push. It seems like the Decepticons have the advantage over the Autobots. But obviously there have to be Autobot flyers, (even if they are mostly helicopters)... That reminds me, while we're on this subject, which model type would eventually become helicopters? I'll just stick to Seekers I guessed.

As for getting ahold of those with flight capability- I think both sides by now have developed what we've developed for tanks. About 9/10 of all bombs/explosives are designed for Tanks. Because Tanks are important for us. Meanwhile, the Autobots and Cons both place more importance on air support I'm guessing. So would 9/10 of their weaponry be to take down Seekers? If so, most of the Seekers would be in hiding, and then witht he war and flyers on both sides splitting up, those that had younglings got seperated from them.

And in a lot of cases, most of the younglings don't even know their Seekers. So the flyers pay special, extra cautious attention to those with Lambo/Datsun frames, kidnap them, and check to make certain. Just, three certain trio's of Datsun's/Lambo's have managed to avoid capture and testing so far- the number one reason why they're still alive.

See, it can even tie into Lambo's were created to take down Seekers- the Seekers weren't certain which were sparkling/youngling, and had to capture them all.

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

80's cartoon fandoms, you can hide the moon in their plot holes.

The helicopters didn't really hit me considering the majority of such I've seen tend to be triplechangers or part of a gestalt group.

Yeah, though as my grandpa used to say, the tank is just a bigger target that needs a bit more firepower to take down. That and with the seekers and hiding there was probably anti-seeker sentiment amongst some groups as they went. Making the younglings not look like seekers even more of a blessing.

OUr favorite trio of Datsun/Lambos also have their positions and such to help with that I bet too. Since aside from the twins the rest probably didn't get exposed as much to seekers early on. Blue being a gunner he probably stayed undercover a lot, Prowl and Red Alert are officers that they can't really afford to lose, Smokescreen is a Diversionary tactician and part of the psych corp so most wouldn't have been exposed battlefield wise all that much until earth.

The old hide them in plain sight. Seeker goes for a potential youngling only to find it's not and have to fight off that Lambo now.

[outerelf.livejournal.com]

That's why they're usually the strongest, and stay the strongest. Sure, it's nice and all to have no plot holes, but then there's nothing to keep you awake at night, telling you that you're either a) missing something, or b) you need to fill it in. That's what fanfiction is made of after all. :) That, and a wide variety of characters. The wider variety, usually the better fics tend to be written with less OC's, because they're already there.

I guess you're right about the helicopters, they are triple changers or gestalt members. But it was a nice thought anyways.

Tanks are fancy ways of getting yourself killed. If you have a tank, then you're screaming that you want to be killed. Period.

Meanwhile, while Starscream and his trine is still attempting to figure out if the Datsun trio are hidden Seekers, they've already confirmed thee fact that Sideswipe and Susntreaker are. The only problem now is to get them away from the autobots long enough to reformat them- a task that's proving hard.

[lapinporokoira.livejournal.com]

You know Datsun's could become Seekers and Lambourghini's become Coneheads.
-Laughs- Sunstreaker wouldn't be amused in the least.

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

No, he so wouldn't. Unless he could be the prettiest conehead ever.

[meiza-one.livejournal.com]

You know, I think I prefer the idea of the Datsun's being young Seekers (proto-Seekers?) than the Lambo's. It's the wings.

I'm also adoring the idea of the proto-seekers in question not KNOWING they were Seekers until recently. :D

So long as I'm here...

I've come across mentions of "flightless Seekers" and "Seeker-kin" before, but I don't know where they originated. Could someone explain it to me please? The thing that's throwing me off is that Seekers, by definition, are Decepticon jets. So saying "flightless seekers" is a bit of an oxymoron, and I have no idea what to do with "Seeker-kin".

Clarification - or at least a link to the original bunny - would be superb.

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

The wings get me too, I added the Lambos in the idea after seeing a few fics of the earth trio being reformatted from seekers to Lambos.


I love that part, because the fun you can have with reactions and having them get used to the idea.


I haven't gone far enough back to find it either. I haven't seen the flightless seeker one, but the seeker-kin I see used as the phrase for groundbased models that have seeker programing, but aren't really seekers. Like if you put two different races of humans near eachother and after a while they start to mix which makes a new classification amongst the group even if you can't really tell the difference on a cursory glance.

[meiza-one.livejournal.com]

That actually makes pretty good sense, and it's something I can relate to. I live in the US, but I was born and raised in Saudi Arabia until I was almost 15. It's a different situation, but two different cultures coming together to form a unique third one? That, I can relate to.

[(Anonymous)]

In Ante_Luce's fics, being a seeker isn't so much a matter of your frame, but your coding, culture, language, code of conduct and such.
It was explained in one fic that Vos and Praxus were once one city (or maybe twin cities?) and all citizens were considered seeker-kin, and they were one big happy family until politics happened.
Flightless seekers were those who had all of seeker programming except the flight protocols. They don't fly, but they still form trines (Prowl,Smokesreen, Bluestreak), and have a private language that no no-seeker-kin can understand.

I don't know if all above was Ante_Luce's original idea, or was it borrowed from somewhere else. (If so, I'd bet it was from bunny-farm).
If you're curious about more detail, check out her stories. They are great and very neatly cataloged. I recommend tags 'datsun trine' and 'flightless' for a start.

[meiza-one.livejournal.com]

(on the off chance you ever see this reply...)

Is Ante_Luce here on LiveJournel? A link would be much appreciated.

[syntia-13.livejournal.com]

Sure. Here you go: http://ante-luce.livejournal.com/

Seeker glee!

[kaitou-pandora.livejournal.com]

First of all, this idea? WIN.

Second of all, just in case you haven't heard of it already, if you want heavily Seeker-centric fic explaining a lot of questions in the above comments, go read sanjuno's Nine Rings of Vos. It's epic, it's awesome, and it's unlikely to stop anytime soon.

And as far as I can tell, sanjuno's the one who came up with Seeker-kin and Seeker-cant and any related terms. She even has a dictionary-style post explaining all of the terms on her page, but you have to go into the Nine Rings of Vos timeline to find the link.

Here's the link to sanjuno's livejournal page:

sanjuno.livejournal.com

*utter fail at posting actual link; please copy-paste or enter directly into address bar of internet page*

Re: Seeker glee!

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

afhadfadf It was just a funny idea I had because you always see fics about certain mechs maybe being underage due to records being lost in raids and such, and then I stumbled over fics about certain mechs being seekers but grounded for some reason and just kinda went Lol mix and match this now.


I'll now have to read everything now because the origin of this was bugging me as I hadn't found any real starting point for the concept and glee epic fics make me happy. Thank you.

Re: Seeker glee!

[kaitou-pandora.livejournal.com]

No problem!

Er . . . Apologies, but I just realized you'll probably be turned into plotbunny food as a result of exposure to Seekers. Hope you don't mind.

Re: Seeker glee!

[no-pen-writer.livejournal.com]

Ehheh, my mind does that already sadly. I've already started working out a Bioshock type story for transformers universe, so I knew I was doomed in this fandom from day one